12 Replies Last post: Oct 24, 2010 12:49 AM by Rob Juurlink  
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Oct 21, 2010 2:29 PM

Apple deprecated Java on OS X

http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#releasenotes/Java/JavaSnowLeopardUpdate3LeopardUpdate8RN

 

"As of the release of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 3, the version of Java

that is ported by Apple, and that ships with Mac OS X, is deprecated."

 

Dirk Dittert Novice 448 posts since
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Oct 21, 2010 3:01 PM in response to: Tom
Re: Apple deprecated Java on OS X

Seems like I'll have to switch back to Windows :-(

Tobin Juday Novice 379 posts since
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Oct 21, 2010 7:08 PM in response to: Tom
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I'm curious what Jetbrains' take on this issue is.  Is this end of Java on the Mac?  Will Oracle be picking the project up? 

 

It seems like it could be a devastating blow to Java developers on the Mac, and doesn't bode well for the in-progress OS X-only Objective-C IDE that's been talked about.

Dmitry Jemerov Master 12,565 posts since
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Oct 21, 2010 7:16 PM in response to: Tobin Juday
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Hello Tobin,

 

Right now we know as much as anyone else about this issue. We don't plan

to stop our OSX-specific Java development. Whatever the final outcome of

this issue (Apple reverting its decision like it reverted its changes to

the iOS developer agreement, Apple open-sourcing its Java implementation,

Oracle providing its own port of Java for MacOS X, or SoyLatte becoming the

de-facto standard), we're certain that some version of Java on MacOS X will

remain available. And if it means that we'll have to do a lot of additional

work to adapt our platform to the new Java implementation, well, then we'll

do it, as we don't seem to have much choice in this regard.

 

I'm curious what Jetbrains' take on this issue is.  Is this end of

Java on the Mac?  Will Oracle be picking the project up?

 

It seems like it could be a devastating blow to Java developers on the

Mac, and doesn't bode well for the in-progress OS X-only Objective-C

IDE that's been talked about.

 

--

Dmitry Jemerov

Development Lead

JetBrains, Inc.

http://www.jetbrains.com/

"Develop with Pleasure!"

 

 

 

Chris Herron Newbie 23 posts since
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Oct 21, 2010 8:09 PM in response to: Dmitry Jemerov
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Lets not forget that Apple has a gigantic investment in Java on the server side.

They wouldn't do this without confidence that a viable JDK will continue to be available.

Dirk Dittert Novice 448 posts since
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Oct 21, 2010 8:22 PM in response to: Dmitry Jemerov
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There are plenty of companies that use Macs to develop Java applications (i.e. Google). Those Java developers I know personally that are on Mac have at least played with iPhone apps. I still can't believe that Apple is trying to scare those away. And: isn't the iTunes store running on Java?

 

Thank you for clarifying JetBrains' position on this. This gives a little hope in those dark times. But hey, we'll get an app store and full screen apps with 10.7. Haven't we all been waiting for that? *sigh*

 

Dirk

Lance  Newbie 28 posts since
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Oct 21, 2010 11:02 PM in response to: Tom
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IMHO, this is just another sign that Apple has become (or is becoming) what in the past we all criticized Microsoft for being: a tech giant that wants to control everything & anything, and stifle any competition whether real or perceived. Even at a cost to their customers. Google develops a phone OS based on Java that competes with the iPhone. iPhone starts to lose market share (or at least not grow as quickly). Solution: punish all Mac users (and devleopers that want to write cross platform apps) by removing Java from Mac in an attempt to hurt Java and thus in turn Google and Android. Just my ever so humble opinion.

Grant Lewis Novice 185 posts since
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Oct 21, 2010 11:25 PM in response to: Lance
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I'm not quite so doom and gloom. I develop on OS X with Intellij and I'm confident Java will always be supported on Mac. If Java support is dropped and no viable alternative is available Apple will lose marketshare and developers. Personally, my preference is for Apple to stop developing their own JVM and support third-party JVMs like every other operating system.

Chris Miller Novice 281 posts since
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Oct 22, 2010 4:07 AM in response to: Lance
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Sad as it is, I think you're right. Apple (actually, Steve Jobs) want to

be too big for their boots

 

IMHO, this is just another sign that Apple has become (or is becoming)

what in the past we all criticized Microsoft for being: a tech giant

that wants to control everything & anything, and stifle any

competition whether real or perceived. Even at a cost to their

customers. Google develops a phone OS based on Java that competes with

the iPhone. iPhone starts to lose market share (or at least not grow

as quickly). Solution: punish all Mac users (and devleopers that want

to write cross platform apps) by removing Java from Mac in an attempt

to hurt Java and thus in turn Google and Android. Just my ever so

humble opinion.

 

 

 

Thomas Condon Newbie 26 posts since
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Oct 22, 2010 2:36 AM in response to: Tom
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If Sun/Oracle develops the JDKs for Linux, Windows, etc... I would think that they will do it for the Mac.  At least I hope they do it.

Tobin Juday Novice 379 posts since
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Oct 22, 2010 4:21 PM in response to: Thomas Condon
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It's not much, but here's what Steve Jobs says on the matter.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/frasers/5104179782/

 

Guess it's up to Oracle to step up.  I would hope Apple would at least gives Oracle their latest codebase.

Sergei Ivanov Apprentice 1,002 posts since
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Oct 22, 2010 5:39 PM in response to: Tobin Juday
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Oracle can as well start charging for Java port to Macs. But Apple users are used to pay extra for the privilege of using Apple products, I am sure they'll be able to cough up an extra couple of hundred bucks to get the latest Java from AppStore.

Rob Juurlink Newbie 13 posts since
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Oct 24, 2010 12:49 AM in response to: Tom
Re: Apple deprecated Java on OS X

At least we have OpenJDK1 for Mac OS X, SWT2 and SwingWT3 as a replacement for Apples JDK.

 

1 http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/

2 http://www.eclipse.org/swt/

3 http://swingwt.sourceforge.net/

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